Anti-pedophile propaganda helps pedophiles?

I’m a member of a gay-friendly community on the internet, where it’s rather common to see people expressing their hate towards pedophiles. In this community you can write a presentation text about yourself and you can chat in open forums and start clubs with different names where other community users can become members. There are several “hate pedophiles” clubs, several threads in the forums where people state that “It’s enough! Down with the pedophiles!”, and “It’s enough! Down with the child pornography!”. Some claim that the child pornography is everywhere, and that pedophiles are everywhere too. These threads are usually open for anyone to read, and the clubs usually have public member lists for everyone to see. Then there are clubs with the purpose to say that all pedophiles aren’t evil themselves but the act that some of them do is; something I agree with, but that’s a whole other discussion than the one I’m about to adress here.Before I continue I must clarify that I of course admit there are pedophiles on this community, as much as there are pedophiles working for the church, the local food stores, the railroads, the schools, and so on. In other words, they are everywhere, as there are people of other sexual preferences everywhere. Some pedophiles act upon their sexuality, but many suffer from it and wouldn’t do anything to a child in real life. This post isn’t to argue that there are no pedophiles.

Then we have the curious fact that out of 100.000 registered community members, 230 members are registered as below the age of 15. If you’re 15 or above (in Sweden) it’s not pedophilia; it’s just morally wrong to some, which is not the same as pedophilia regardless of what people may think - some actually believe that the age difference is more important in deciding whether or not someone is a pedophile than the actual ages themselves and may very well pounce a 40 year old for being in love with someone who is 20. Well, 230 members out of 100.000. It’s an estimate, because there are no guarantees that members state their correct ages, though most do. Counting all children currently registered on the site, then aproximately 250 people might have been contacted the last year by someone on the community that per legal definition was an active pedophile looking for children. Others of other ages may have been contacted by someone somehow claiming to be a pedophile too; but it’s probably extremely rare since it’s probably nothing you’d say to anyone.

Another curious fact is that I don’t know anyone who has ever seen any member upload child porn on that community, and from the looks of it, so haven’t most others on the community either. How do I make that assumption? Well, there is a trend among these “pedophile haters” to put a little snippet of text in their presentations. It goes something like “Stop the child pornography! If you see any, report it immediately to http://www.rb.se/hotline”. Plenty of members have had this text on their presentations for years, but the thing is that if you click the link and take time to read what the page says, rb.se/hotline stopped taking reports since january 2005. That’s more than two and a half year ago. So probably safe to say, none of the many people who have this link on their sites have seen child porn on the community in the last two and a half year. Yet, the same people scream and shout that it HAS TO STOP NOW! …as if it was an actual problem. I think it’s more a case of people rallying eachother; someone says “it’s gotta stop” and immediately another bunch of people listen and think that it’s actually a real problem, they follow suit and scream “yeah it’s has GOT TO STOP” and more and more people join in some crusade against a foe that didn’t exist in the first place.

The philosophy of making these clubs and threads is good in general, I guess. People don’t want children to get abused sexually by adults. However - I wonder if these clubs and forum threads actually help anyone but the active pedophiles, those pedophiles that actually search out physical contact with children.

Why? Well, most clubs and threads (and those “stop child porn”-text snippets) serve no other purpose than to gather people of the same philosophy so they can, put frankly, pat eachother on the shoulders for thinking the right thing and standing up for the children. The purpose is mostly that - to shout out their hate against pedophiles. Nothing more. Some, but suprisingly few, actually take matters in their own hands and try to help the children that are or might become victims to rape. If someone takes it really seriously they should study to become an IT-police.

In other words, the clubs and threads are usually there for people to look good for others with the same point of view. Of course they would report pedophiles or child porn if they saw any, but as I’ve explained, most apparently never come in contact with it. So, who does these clubs help the rest of the time? The children? Hardly. The pedophiles? Probably a lot more than the children, because the active pedophiles may now easily see who they’re not supposed to contact more easily by looking in these anti-pedo clubs or threads. Those who shun the light stay out of the searchlight. Pedophiles need friends too (assumption) and adult contacts, and being able to clearly spot those that hate them is definately a great tool when looking for like-minded people.

I’d say that if you want to catch a potentially dangerous active pedophile, don’t paste “hate pedophiles” on your forehead (at least paste a working reporting site if you have to). You’ll never encounter a pedophile that way, and they will hardly dissappear only because you wish them to. It’s the same as if you were to hunt deer by running around in the woods screaming “come deer, I want you to come to me and die”. What you should do is to keep low and wait.

EDIT: Some think that this community does nothing to work against pedophiles, probably based on the simple fact that the community crew never mention it. The fact is that they do actively work against it by themselves and with the police when needed. The reason to why people seldomly hear of anything is that they probably don’t want their community to get “pedophile hangout place” stamped all over them. Sure, they could say things like “We’re fighting diligently to report all active pedophiles that reside here!”. Does that sound good? Well, imagine an adventure family bath stating the same. They’d probably lose a lot of customers - not so much the pedophiles as the families. Does it still sound that good? Being in any way connected to pedohilia in the press is always bad. To even state that you’re fighting pedophiles in your community indirectly also mean that there are pedophiles in your community - that you’re hosting pedophiles.

EDIT 2: In some ways, this sort of propaganda might not only help the active confident pedophiles in a way, but also make it more difficult for the insecure pedophiles that don’t want to have their sexual urges towards children to reach out and get official help. By shouting that the people with these urges are disgusting, evil and compare them to massmurdering demons, the probability of these people actually gathering courage to talk to a professional about getting help to resist the urges may diminish greatly. So not only might it help the active pedophiles that like what they do, but it may also cause those pedophiles that want help not to dare to get help. Far from all pedophiles are evil; they’re just cursed with a very unfortunate sexual preference. Some can resist the urges, some can’t, some don’t want to, and some once wanted to resist, couldn’t, and now it may be too late for them - and in extension the children getting raped by them.

So, will you continue shouting “hate all pedophiles”?

NOTE: No I have no numbers showing that this is true, but that’s only to be expected in a case where the “numbers” pretty much want to stay hidden. It’s just a theory, from someone looking at it from another angle.


Sex before age of 15

Note: I do not endorse pedophilia. That is not what this blog post is about. I’m against active pedophilia, as you would know if you read my Right and Wrong post. And also, someone fresh out of arguments in a zoophilia debate recently claimed that I want to lower the “legal age of sexual intercourse” which is simply a lie and nothing I’m interested in. Apparently I have said that in a public debate, but stranegly no traces of that debate or my claims can be found nor can anyone else remember that I had said such a thing.

 

It is interesting… I just read a few articles about a swedish politician named Thomas Bodström, who really is one of those people with power you would like to catch some really bad disease and… caugh, really really much. Sadly, he isn’t very old yet so there’s probably no change for nature to take its’ course anytime soon. Oh, and he probably wants texts like these to be considered equal to attempted murder.

 

He is, for example, trying to change the laws so that the police may bug your phone if they as little as suspect that you’re going to do any sort of crime, and that police may enter your appartment at any time without a warrant and without any obligation to tell you that they’ve been there. Big brother society? Well, apparently there’s a term for his dictatorship - a “Bodströmsamhälle” (Bodström Society). He also pushes for a change in the child pornography laws so that even virtual children (not children at all, just virtual representations, avatars, played by adults) will be illegal. May I ask, who in the name of everything that is holy does that protect? No one! At all! Supress the pedophiles! Don’t let them even think about children! It has nothing to do with protecting actual children anymore, it’s about criminalizing the mind and fantasy of some people. Well, snuff movies are illegal, so why don’t make virtual snuff (horror movies) illegal too? That will protect the actors from getting virtually killed. Oh yeah. The justice!

 

He’s one of those people with the philosophy I truly hate. The philosophy is to criminalize things that doesn’t ever hurt or harm anyone. Their grounds to forbidding things is simply that they don’t “want” the perticular thing in “their world”. It’s all in black and white. If I can go without this and that, then so can everybody else - and if not, let’s just criminalize and mold people to think just like me. Yeah, that’ll be nice. A perfect world.

Anyhow, this is a small reference to my post about “Right and Wrong“, where I mentioned my sex debut at 7-8 years of age. One that I had full control of and consented to very much. The thing is that in 2005 or so, Bodström imposed a change to the law saying that without any exception, sex with someone below the age of 15 is rape. According to his law, you cannot at all possibly consent to having sex if you’re below 15 years of age. Oh?

 

EDIT: Some claim that kids below 15 shouldn’t have sex/can’t consent to sex because they don’t know fully what sex is about. I didn’t know exactly what sex was about when I was 8-9 I admit, but I knew that it felt good, was for procreation and that if done unprotected you could get AIDS. Well, even though I today know that the person you have sex with needs to have AIDS/HIV in order for you to get infected, it’s kind of still the same today. Sex feels good, heterosexuals can use if for procreation and if not protected you may get sexually transmitted diseases. Hell, that’s more than many other care about - some never give the STDs a second thought.No, you probably don’t know all there is to know about sex when you’re below 15, but most people don’t know all there is to know about sex their entire lives. Yeah you learned about overies and testicles and stuff when you were in school, but unless you’re truly interested in the workings of the human body and procreation organs, you’ll forget about all that in a week or two, and remember only the truly most important things there is to know about sex: that sex should feel good, sex should be fun, and that you should protect yourself to avoid diseases and unwanted pregnancy.You don’t need to know how the internal organs work. I sure don’t. I fuck you, you fuck me, it feels good. We go and comfirm that we’re free of STDs, come back, and throw away the condom.

 

Well, I understand the idea - to prevent rape of children. That is all well. But, recently there was this case of two 25 year old boys having sex with someone below 15; and the judgement was that the girl actually consented partly, making it less of a rape and more of taking advantage sexually of a minor. I know for a fact that you can consent to sex when you’re under 15, and I know for a fact that sex below 15 isn’t automatically painful or scarring and can be quite the opposite. It can be scarring, but so can sex in any age if done wrong.

But - apparently, Bodström shuts his eyes and ears to the possibility of consent before the age of 15, as he now wants to retry the law (case?), somehow making it clear to everyone that sex with anyone below the age of 15 is nonconsentual rape. In his world, a child cannot possibly be a sexual being. I find that more of a romantic dream of purity rather than seeing the facts. Just take a look at Japan where the legal age of intercourse is 13, and apparently it works for them. The island hasn’t been swallowed by the sea yet. Ah, but I guess the genes of Sweden automatically and flawlessly activates our will at the age of 15, turning us from the numb, quiet and fully gullable zombies we were before the age of 15 into concious human beings. It can’t be that you have an own will before that age. Oh what a load of bull…

How can someone who so clearly fights against democracy and personal integrity, and does it with such prejudice, be let to continue in politics? I guess that’s the price of democracy - everyone has equal right to speak their minds, which is good, but it may actually result in some idiot like him trying to remove everybody else’s right to speak.

He’s a perfect example of those people who thinks that they possess the ultimate “common sense”, and what they think and believe is the universal truth. Just because their philosophy fits perfectly with their lives doesn’t mean it will fit everyone’s. Laws have to keep some space to move around, some flexibility. He’s trying to make laws absolute - a system with no sense at all, just cold hard rules, black and white.

Oh, and sorry to break it to (some of) you, but if you think you’re reading between the lines, then you’re most probably very wrong. The world isn’t as black and white as you may have wanted it to be. If you didn’t try to read between the lines, then I salute you.

 


An interesting note (added 2007-11-22):
On a Swedish community I’m a member of, someone started a thread on the public forums, asking when was the first time other members had ever had sex. Many started to answer, as usual, and the answers were ranging from the usual 14-18, to 20, even later than that, and as expected, there were answers ranging from 14 and down to 4-5 years of age. For me, this isn’t really strange - I had sex with someone else at the age of ~7, and compared to today, it was pretty much the same thing and physical mechanics involved.

 

But, the most interesting part is that some people tried to tell us that we were wrong - that we couldn’t possibly had sex at that age. That our actions must have been led by an adult, or that you can’t possibly have an erection before puberty (which is simply a lie), and so forth. When told that I did what I did back then with a boy my age, all on our own by our own will, they went on to say that it couldn’t have been sex because you can’t get an erection and all that, and when countered, they went on to say that it can’t have been sex because you’d have to have orgasms too… which I personally had years before I had sex with another human. After that, those claiming that “it can’t be!!!” went completely silent.

 

Some people are so… bent on denying some things. They try every possible argument to keep being able to deny something, and if the argument is countered, they quickly try to find some other argument. Is this a fear of realizing the truth? Is it really that horrible to grasp that the world isn’t exactly what you thought it was? And why is it so hard for them to just accept that what is “normal” is “normal” and does not define anything other than “most frequent occurance”? And what’s with people’s inability to admit that they have been wrong, to admit that they’ve actually learned something? Is it so terrible to show that you evolve?

 

Why is it so horrible to accept that someone, at an age of 5-7, can happily have fullblown (yet probably without real sperm for some time) sex, pursuing pleasure and ultimately an ordinary orgasm? I know for a fact that this is completely possible. I was there. Telling me that I’m wrong is just plain stupid.


As mentioned earlier, this is partially a follow-up of the post “Right and Wrong“.


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